Eric Heumann
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Posted: February 06, 2010 01:28 by Eric Heumann
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I was enthused to hear Ted Farrell's "Future of Kenai" update. While there still seems to be some uncertainty in the air, the prospect of keeping my project in its current form and having access to the Kenai tools makes me very happy. It seems to me like a whole lot of people have already jumped ship; it'll be interesting to hear some of the grievances from those folks. Oracle definitely dropped the ball there, but in my personal opinion it's forgivable as long as they actually go through with creating a smooth transition for us over to a renovated Java.net. I was wondering, does anyone know why Sun originally created Kenai separately from Java.net instead of just updating Java.net? Also, I thought there was an approval process to be hosted on Java.net. You can't just make a project; you have to request one. Am I right on that? If so, is everyone at Kenai going to have to go through that process, or do you think they're going to open up Java.net to unrestricted project creation? Those are some questions I had, but I'd also be interested to hear other people's reactions to the update. Cheers, Eric |
Kenai to Java.net
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Replies: 21 - Last Post: May 09, 2011 03:15
by: dengdai
by: dengdai
Cyberqat
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Posted: February 06, 2010 01:57 by Cyberqat
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Yup. The same reason things like this always happen in big companies-- politics and entrenched interests. I agree this is good news. I *also* think that, however S'norcle wants to position it, this is so directly in opposition to the "vacate now". "Kenai isn't ready" and "we'll use it in house" announcements we previously got that I am personally sure this is a matter of someone at Oracle realizing at the last minute they were about to do something very stupid. Stil, props for them in being able to see that in time. |
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vincent.c
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Posted: February 06, 2010 03:48 by vincent.c
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I trust Oracle/Sun not to change their mind on this important direction's update. This is a great decision. Kenai, with all its community based features, is currently the best hosting service on the web. I am very glad to hear that it stay. Guys @ java.net will be more than happy to hear the news too 
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Christian
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Posted: February 06, 2010 15:42 by Christian
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Hi everybody, first, I am happy to hear that "the infrastructure" will live on on java.net. Second, I think I understand the reasons why Oracle wants to merge the two projects java.net and kenai.com into one. Third, I am glad to hear that they are working on help for migrating the projects. But, seriously, the communication on that point was not "poor", it was lousy! Actually, the lates Oracle news where a full turnaround and they contradict to what has been said before. Many projects did move to other sites and many of those did not see java.net as an alternative. Even worse, when I take a look at the projects which did move or at last started moving, those where the LIVING projects, not those dead try-and-forget ones, which also exist here (but which also exist on other sites, I think). The "we will close"-announcement on kenai.com was far too early and much damage has been done. I will stay put with my (tiny and not too important) project, which is easy as it originally started out on java.net and moved to kenai.com some time ago. But you, Oracle, should be aware that a lot of confidence has been destroyed. So, just you cannot say you have not been warned, here are some obvious questions you should be able to answer in the future, or more confidence will be destroyed. I am sure, other project admins and commiters will be able to add more questions:
Some of those questions have been asked before and - though I also lost some confidence - I am still confident that you will be able to answer those questions soon. Even though my post might sound "angry" in some parts, I am happy to hear that you are not about to take away all the good things which have been created here. All the best! Chris |
Bruce Schubert
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Posted: February 08, 2010 15:38 by Bruce Schubert
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Good post! I concur. -- Bruce |
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adamgmetzler
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Posted: February 06, 2010 16:22 by adamgmetzler
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| This is excelent news! Having just found kenai after updateing netbeans-6.5 to netbeans-6.8, my next project was going to be hosted here. Then 1 week later Oracle had their merger presentation and I thought to myself "well, this sucks, kenai is now dead". Man am I glad to hear that this technology will be added to java.net and I will hopefully have the same great netbeans integration you get here. So, my advice would be, IMHO, too wait a couple of months until they have the kenai back end under java.net, before starting a new project. I hope that mercurial support comes along with the kenai features. |
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Bruce Schubert
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Posted: February 08, 2010 15:54 by Bruce Schubert
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This is very good news! The Kenai infrastructure is the best one I've found. As a result of the earlier shut-down notice, I evaluated a few of the popular (and less popular) forges, and none surpassed Project Kenai in my opinion. I played with the existing Java.net forge, and I must admit I was disappointed. The Kenai infrastructure should be a "shot in the arm" for Java.net. I actually look forward to joining the larger Java.net community. Via the Kenai / NetBeans integration, it was extremely easy to find and get/checkout other NetBeans platform projects for help and examples. Thus, the larger community may provide a larger pool of resources to pull from, and contribute to. -- Bruce Campbell Prediction System Project |
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kwiecienm
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Posted: February 09, 2010 13:27 by kwiecienm
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Hi, There is another alternative - http://emforge.net - You might want to try this. We've just started a week ago and we plan to release SVN hosting fully working by the end of February. We are moving fast with very nice features and we already have some like task management, wiki, blogs, forums. But currently, when You create a project You don't get SVN - if You'd like one - please contact me (marek.kwiecien@gmail.com). Kind regards, Marek -- |
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HxA
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Posted: February 24, 2010 08:35 by HxA
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Hi all, Shortly after hearing the anouncement of kenai shutdown I moved my projects immediatly. And java.net was no option for me. Why? I host an older project on java.net and use some of the projects hosted there. I always faced a lot of performance problems and the site navigation is horrible. The java.net team tried to update their site 2 times and it failed both times misserably making the platform unstable for weeks and ending in a roleback. This is why I think merging kenai with java.net is a promise that will not be fullfilled. java.net ist a monster that needs a complete restart. Sorry I lost confidence in java.net regarding project hosting and everyone waiting for the kenai/java.net merge will wait a long time for this to happen, a time with no improvement and minimal support of the kenai platform and then after a few years Oracle will realize that this is not going to work and just shut down kenai and you will have to hurry to move your projects then. This is my prediction using my never failing chrystal orb. Have fun, - Bernd |
Vincent Cantin
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Posted: February 24, 2010 10:44 by Vincent Cantin
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Hi, I have no more information that you, but I remain optimist. As you said, java.net have some problems and it will be hard to change it to support the features of the kenai platform. However, to migrate its content to the kenai platform might not be impossible, and that's probably what will happen (well.... that's what I hope). I am also not 100% confident about the promises made by Oracle after such inconsiderate public declaration and so many silly project shutdowns (for instance, project darkstar was not costing a lot, and was an open way to more database usage .. which meant more clients for them). But because I am optimist, I will just stay until the end and hope for the best, while keeping a local backup of my files just in case. Vincent |
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Paul McElwain
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Posted: February 24, 2010 19:29 by Paul McElwain
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My reading of Ted Farrell's note on the home page, "...migrating java.net to the kenai technology.", sounds like the latter options is what they are going to try. I have watched IBM, Oracle, and Sun over the years with their various support for open source programming. (and Dec DECUS before that) I am inclined to be patient, and optimistic. |
Fabrizio Giudici
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Posted: February 26, 2010 21:30 by Fabrizio Giudici
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| From what I understand it's clear that the new java.net forge will just be Kenai re-faced to the java.net domain and look & feel. So, I frankly think that the best option is to stay here. |
Peter Mount
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Posted: March 12, 2010 11:07 by Peter Mount
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Exactly which is why I'm now staying put. I've tried a couple of other 'forges' out there, but there's been nothing that's just worked out of the box. |
Alexandre Navarro
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Posted: April 10, 2010 12:48 by Alexandre Navarro
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| Some news about the migration from kenai to javanet. |
Guru357
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Posted: May 08, 2010 13:23 by Guru357
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I was one of the ones that immediately jumped ship after I heard that Kenai would be 'closed' with no contingency plan, but I've lingered around long enough, and I have to ask: Is it safe to use Kenai? Can I create new projects and solicit project members or is there still too much of the 'unknown' to consider it reliable? I've been sitting on a number of projects I've created specially for Kenai hosting, but the transition and the thought of waking up one day and not having access to my repo's, communication and documentation has quite frankly scared me off. I'd love to start using it again, and I don't mind that it'll be transitioned to Java.net, I just have to know if it has a future or if it's like boarding a sinking ship. |
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Peter Mount
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Posted: May 11, 2010 09:03 by Peter Mount
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Like yourself I jumped ship when the news first came out, but I've also lingered around after not finding anything else out there that came close to kenai's feature set. The lack of any updates (it's been two months since the last one) is a little worrying, although the fact they migrated datacentres is a good sign - if they were going to take it down, then would have been the easiest/cheaper time to have done it. Currently what I'm doing is still using kenai but mirroring the repos on another service - as I use Mercurial I'm using bitbucket. A good thing about distributed repos it's virtually transparent. The only thing that's still kenai dependent is jira, having not found anything equivalent on any other service - a definite plus for kenai. As for projects specific to kenai, like yourself I too have some. For example I have a custom version of javadoc based on the one in JDK7 which not only generates cleaner/smaller html but is skinnable - and the example skin is one for kenai. I think those at kenai could do us a favour to give us an update on whats going on. Peter |
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Bruce Schubert
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Posted: May 11, 2010 13:11 by Bruce Schubert
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I concur. I've been, as they say, "waiting for the other shoe to drop" ever since that first announcement. But, my confidence has been restored somewhat by the recent activity in the Kenai infrastructure (data center move and the new Kenai build). I truly hope that both Kenai and my own project can regain the momentum they once had. That whole threat of shutdown really took the wind out of my sails, and its been difficult for me to get moving again. -- Bruce |
peppertech
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Posted: May 11, 2010 16:55 by peppertech
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Hey Peter and Bruce, I'll see if we can get the home page notice section updated. The process is still moving forward with the original plan. The Datacenter move was something that got tossed into the middle of everything, but the move to the Java.net domain is still underway. It's just all behind the scenes work, so it doesn't appear that much is happening to the general public. Hope that helps somewhat. --jb PS. Sorry for the peppertech user instead of my usual john.brock user. I seem to have already forgotten my old Sun pwd. 
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Bruce Schubert
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Posted: June 15, 2010 12:09 by Bruce Schubert
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One reassuring item is the continuing work on the Kenai infrastructure. Click the version number at the bottom of this page to see the release notes (abbreviated as they may be): eg revision 20100521.d19488a I'm taking a step in faith and I've begun investing significant time in my Kenia hosted project again: cps.kenai.com. Wiki updates will follow the next imminent release. -- Bruce |
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